Danny Maresca: 00:02 Welcome to the Awakening Your True potential podcast where we journey together to discover and tap into the true potential that lies within each of us. I'm health lifestyle nutrition expert, Daniel Maresca. Thanks for joining us today as we welcome our guest, Brent Baum to discuss his innovative client centered and body centered technique that is changing the trauma treatment paradigm. Enjoy the show!
Danny Maresca: 00:38 Welcome everyone to the awakening your true potential podcast. I'm your host Daniel Maresca and I'm excited to introduce the creator of holographic memory resolution, Brent Baum's development of holographic memory resolution began as a strategy to help addicts in outpatient treatment resolve the pain and memory triggers that lead to relapse. The success of his work drew the attention of Cottonwood treatment centers and led to an invitation to become the clinical director of their national trauma treatment facility in Los Lunas, New Mexico in 1993 the merger of the New Mexico facility with Cottonwood to Tucson in 1994 position to Brent as co-clinical director and head of the trauma program in Arizona working with survivors, family members and rescue personnel of the Oklahoma city bombing. In 1995 Brent's work bridged into interinvention with airline crisis team members addressing the aftermath of TWA flight 800 he also worked with survivors and rescue personnel from the September 11th, 2001 terrorist attacks in New York in Washington, DC.
Danny Maresca: 01:37 While at Cottonwood. Brent's work drew the attention of the integrative medicine program of dr Andrew Weil, whose medical residents were able to observe the application of HMR with patients at Cottonwood. Brent later continued this work with dr Weil's integrative wellness program at Mirrorball in Northwest Tucson. Brent was asked to begin training therapist in his approach to trauma resolution while still at Cottonwood and began traveling internationally to introduce various communities to his innovative approach to trauma resolution. He's been asked to present his work at various conferences and courses sponsored by a broad range of healthcare interests, Texas tech center for the study of addictions, the Southwest college of naturopathic medicine, the international society for the study of trauma and dissociation, the national Institute for the clinical application of behavioral medicine, the American Academy of nurse practitioners, national conference on sexual addiction and compulsivity and the association for comprehensive energy psychology and the Canadian association for integrative and energy therapies.
Danny Maresca: 02:38 Among his international training sites was Sendai Japan, the largest city near the earthquake tsunami nuclear disaster that occurred a few years ago. His timely introduction of HMR to various therapeutic communities has been described as a breakthrough in the psychopathology model, enabling the body centered mapping and resolution of complex memory-based pathology. Dr Tanaka of San Francisco state university once stated, I believe that you have found the missing body component that Milton Erickson and David Cheek often discussed. HMR has been heralded by leading psychologists and relapse prevention specialist as one of the safest and most effective memory resolution and relapse prevention techniques. Currently available is innovative approach to trauma resolution is viewed as a unique integration of somatic energy and color psychologies and interdisciplinary specialists in the field of trauma, spirituality, and addictions. He travels throughout the world providing workshops and training and lectures on new and innovative strategies for resolving trauma. Completing postgraduate training at the Gregorian university in Rome, Brent served as a Catholic priest, a faculty member of Notre Dame seminary and archeologist in the near East clinical director for Cottonwood treatment centers and is currently a certified addictions counselor and a clinical hypnotherapist.
Danny Maresca: 03:55 Brent maintains a private practice in Tucson, Arizona and is one of a select group of alternative therapists providing services at Miraval life in balanced in Northwest Tucson. He's the cofounder of Michael's Gift, a nonprofit charity devoted to education, training and dissemination of trauma resolution strategies to the diverse populations affected by the many faces of violence and abuse in our world. He's the author of three books, surviving trauma school, earth, living as light, the awakening of mystical consciousness and the healing dimensions, resolving trauma in body, mind, and spirit. The hallmark of his work is the empowerment of the healer. We hold within Brent, welcome to the show.
Brent Baum: 04:31 Thanks Danny. Great to be here.
Danny Maresca: 04:33 So Brent, this podcast is called Awakening Your True Potential and so I'd like to ask you to share with our listeners a time in your life when you experienced a moment of awakening that had a dramatic impact on your life's direction.
Brent Baum: 04:47 Okay. Wow. Well, I would say there were probably a couple of steps where that took place. And without going into too much detail, I think probably one of the first was when I was studying for a ministry. [inaudible] And I went on a retreat and I had an experience kind of in meditation where I don't know how else to describe it, but more like beings of light kind of presented themselves to me, sort of help me review my life and how I had been kind of prepared and protected in order to do this work and said that my work would have something to do with light and would take place on an international level. And at the time I had this amazing day where it just seemed like I was very intuitive. I anticipated everything that was happening that day had already meditated on, on the things that followed throughout the day was one of the clearest days of my entire life.
Brent Baum: 05:45 And I knew at that point that I probably would not, I ended up being a dosses and priest as I was training. So it made me a little nervous. But then I later found out this was the town resignation, Loyola, that his vision to found the Jesuit order and reform the Catholic church. So a while I decided I probably was not taking on that entire project. I did know that what I would do would have to do with energy and light. And I took eventually the Bishop that had trained me and sent me to Rome, died of congestive heart failure, a new regime took over. I was not going to be allowed to use my, my teaching background. And I had three degrees in theology and had majored in theology and a was not going to be able to use those degrees. So I took a leave of absence thinking about joining the Jesuits.
Brent Baum: 06:35 I had done archeology in Israel for 13 years and did a workshop where a woman observe my, my work and what I was doing and said, you know, with your background and history with addiction, spirituality it would be excellent to have you as an addictions counselor. And so I started thinking about taking some time to just train in counseling. I did that. And very quickly [inaudible] was invited to become part of an outpatient center but was not really trained in the addictions model very much at that point, but it was, and I'm not chemically dependent in our family. We had more of an Asberger's father who he was emotionally unavailable to the point where we attracted addictive systems and persons in our lives, which many of us do. We marry our fathers, marry our mothers, where I married to a system that had addictions.
Brent Baum: 07:27 The pastor I was living with was alcoholic PRI and the Bishop died of cirrhosis of the liver. So I was familiar with someone with addictions from others' systems and I was really interested in doing the trauma piece because I wasn't chemically dependent, but I wasn't trained in trauma. And one of my clients at that time, around 1990 heard about the work of a psychologist from New Zealand named David Grove, and come to find out he was going to be in my neck of the woods and my vicinity within about two months. So I talked the, the psychiatrists that owned the outpatient and center. I said, if you want me to do trauma work, I need some more training. And I attended one of the last two workshops that David did for about 10 years. I took a leave of absence or sabbatical I should say. And when I was at his workshop, he described the phenomenon I had been stealing.
Brent Baum: 08:18 Having been trained in archeology, I was pretty observant about people and their lives and their traumas and their circumstances. And he described the fact that most people freeze consciousness at the moment before they're overwhelmed. And when they said that this what they now call the T minus one concept trauma minus a millisecond, it kind of struck me like a bolt of lightning. And to this day, I'm not entirely sure what happened, but the realization was this is critical that this is something that we've missed in therapy is something that nobody is talking about. We're not trained in that. We've identified the moment when consciousness freezes, when we're overwhelmed, and from that point forward, and he did part of the technique with me. It didn't work so well, but spontaneously I modified it, added a component, and over the next few years my, my website has the a 20 minute video on the seven stages or the seven breakthroughs in the development of my work.
Brent Baum: 09:18 So I won't go into all of that way with you, but the first breakthrough was the realization that trauma is finite, it's limited. There's a millisecond of pause consciousness. At least at level one. Yeah. And if we can target that moment, we don't have to relive, we don't have to go through depth hypnosis, we don't have to re-experience the entire event in order to release it. And with that, it spurred just a huge amount of it guidance and inspiration to kind of develop my work and to try to bring relief from people saying we don't have to spend the second half of our lives necessarily doing therapy for the first half. If we can target the moments of encoding, then we might be able to release the pain in a fairly expedient way without reliving. And I proceeded over the next, probably the next six, seven years to add.
Brent Baum: 10:08 What would end up being like five, six additional components to that T-Minus 1 concept and modified Grove's original tracking technique and it worked very effectively to the point within two years. Cottonwood heard about my work and said that'd be like for you to consider becoming the director of our national trauma center, which you had mentioned and was excited about that. And then we merged with Tucson. Man, it's just been growing ever since. The realization that I wanted to train more therapists in it and now that larger events and I mean it's like I have the Oklahoma city bombing and flight 800 and then September the 11th some years later inspired me to want to train many more therapists and that's kind of been the focus of my work. And I would say that that probably was one of the most significant moments.
Brent Baum: 10:55 That was the second the team on this one concept. And the third might be when a woman walked into my office in 1992 went into a memory, violent memory, and I felt the physical pain in my body and was like, what is this? You know, I knew I was, I was very connected to my mother who was quite empathic and felt when we were in accidents and injuries, would know which child was injured, but write the time down, say a prayer for you to wait for you to call. I knew my mother was very intuitive and I was in Rome when she died in 1983 and it did wake me up. I felt the moment of her death from Italy, but I had no idea that we have, many of us have the capacity. I think they all have some empathy. The more trauma we resolve, the more empathic we become.
Brent Baum: 11:39 As you know, I think very empathic yourself. But,as that woman walked into my office, I fell to her memory come up physically in my body and when she moved the color solution through which we can talk about a proof of safety as I call it, I felt the pain leave my body. And within the next two years, probably between 92 and 94, realized that I could actually mirror or feel the clients memories, particularly the violent ones. And then over the next 25 years, I can say that if I touch you and I'm nauseated, you have an active concussion memory. So the advantage of developing my work, cause I didn't have to wait for scientific instrumentation to tell me something was happening. I literally felt it for me it was like archeology. Like if the trauma happened, it's there, it's real, you're going to feel it.
Brent Baum: 12:26 And the realization after a few years was I was feeling my clients' unresolved memories. Now are they emotional, I should say, not the memory, but the emotional charge that's left from the moment of freezing. And once I realized that, then I was like a bloodhound on a trail trying to find ways to release that because I said it's painful. I don't want that. What that woman went through, I would not want to experience and trying to help people find ways of releasing their pain. And that probably was the biggest, the shock was in 92 when I first did the basic technique that a huge percent of migraines when we as, as you and I were talking earlier, migraines went away. Most car accidents, they treat your body, they don't treat the memory when the memories triggered the next tenses up in the pain returns. Most panic attacks I believe are relives of the original with other locations added a lot of 'em most biggest scandal of the past century, I think is most anxiety.
Brent Baum: 13:24 And depression is a series of anxiety generating and depressing memories. And they have, you talk about it, they medicate it, but they're not talking to the memories correctly. And if I were to say the gift that David Grove left us with, he passed away about a decade ago, I think. The gift that he left us with was this ability to target and talk to the body in an honorable way. He was a Maori descent and believe the Maori culture is one of the oldest on the planet and believes in empowering people to heal from within. And that certainly is my ethic. Cause then the technique is I tell people I don't heal you. There are some things we found that I can help you access memory faster and boost your energy system to visualize memory. But in reality, this is about you healing yourself and establishing proof of safety with your subconscious mind.
Brent Baum: 14:16 That moment of freezing to show that we're not really stuck in the past. It's, you know, trauma is not that complicated. It's not the history itself. It's how the body mind stores the history when we get overwhelmed. So I don't need to change your history. We just need to update how your body is reliving, how it's stored, how it's maintaining the memory. And you're 95% subconscious. We now know conscious mind is 5% subconscious. Unconscious is 95%. So if we can establish proof of safety, which was my mission, then how do we establish proof of safety? Do we talk to that moment? And that's the real life changing. I think the breakthrough was like, wow. So you asked me why I made your breakthrough is we have the gift, the ability to pause consciousness itself. And you know, I heard 'em Paul is Paul Chek, is that the name?
Brent Baum: 15:08 Paul Chek's podcast that you did and talked about soul and consciousness and I completely agree with his perception, but I'd also say the fact that you and I have built into us the capacity to pause anything that overwhelms us, reduce it and store it like a lump in your throat or a not in your stomach to contain consciousness itself is a completely I think undervalued and unrealized breakthrough that we are alive as a species because we have the gift of pausing, quantum perception, pausing consciousness itself. The problem is that once we paused it, the challenge was how do we get out of the past? How do we unlock that? No. Even Sigmund Freud said, you gotta go back to a certain traumatic event if it has a quote determining a determining quality, I'm sorry, traumatic power or determining quality over your life. And he was actually not unlike yourself working with body and body movement and other aspects of the physiology. He was a neurologist who they forget actually did massage on his clients to help them break through amnesia barriers. Yeah. And you know, so we're in agreement, we integrating body somatics, color and energy now in order to help people heal.
Danny Maresca: 16:26 Right. Well, so I mean, isn't it amazing how the universe works. How something a simple moment like you going to a seminar and getting to here I was at David Grove, right speak. Yes. And in that one moment kind of shifted and flipped on a light switch for you and then it totally changed the trajectory of your life. It's a, it's pretty amazing. So when, when most people hear the word trauma brand, they think to themselves, well, my childhood wasn't that bad. I know plenty of people who had much more traumatic childhood than I had. But you know, that's not really recognizing what trauma really is. Can you tell us what you mean when you say the word trauma within your understanding?
Brent Baum: 17:06 Sure, absolutely. In fact, that workshop that I went to where the woman said, Oh, I think you'd be a great asset to the field. I remember answering that kind of family origins, family history workshop cause they said if you're going to be a counselor, you need to look at your own issues. And I remember going in saying, Oh, you had a pretty wonderful child. Everybody was calm and nobody was violent because my father is Asberger's didn't, didn't talk too much. He didn't get violent or aggressive, didn't do feelings. I remember entering the workshops saying, I don't, I don't really think our family has very much trauma. [inaudible] Not knowing that my father had Asberger's, I had a brother that was brain damaged from birth and a mother with breast cancer for nine years later on. We all have level one and level two trauma in our histories.
Brent Baum: 17:48 But remember, like you said, entering in saying, I don't think I have any trauma. My family is pretty good, which most people think until I do an assess them and I start talking to them about what trauma really is, especially for empathic and sensitive individuals. This is a whole other ball game, so, Oh, when we talked about trauma, I remember leaving the workshop saying, wow, I didn't know those little things and subtle things and covert things and bullying and teasing and all this stuff that happened to me when I, I was quiet and shy and couldn't stand up for myself. I didn't know all that was trauma, so I completely revise my definition. The day I changed it was when I was inpatient. I developed a spirituality component for a psychiatric facility, was working with a group of individuals in this woman named Betsy. As I was checking in, she said, Oh, I'm leaving in two days.
Brent Baum: 18:36 I said, how do you feel about that? She says, pretty good, but something's not finished. I said, what do you think that's about? She says, it's about shame. Now. That's my kind of emotional word for trauma. Does shame is defined as an alienation of self from self, which is kind of the same definition as dissociation or trauma. Trauma is a psych Nero's physiological dissociation part of your mind freeze. This part of your mind continues on. So you're split in two and shame does that. So traditional [inaudible] and basically you can say if you've ever been shamed and caused that kind of fragmentation that for you as a little trauma experience. So when I actually talked to her about that, the memory sheet, well I won't make a long story short here, but the memory she went back to was being about seven years old playing the piano, being very confident.
Brent Baum: 19:23 And then her dad lost his job, got depressed, and she went into the garage one day to ask him a question, just ask a question. And for whatever reason he wouldn't turn around. He wouldn't look at her, he wouldn't make eye contact, he wouldn't connect. And suddenly she couldn't talk, couldn't swallow, couldn't breathe, felt a tremendous amount of shame. Like, what did I do wrong? Why is he completely ignoring me? Like I don't exist now? We don't know to this day was he depressed? Was he medicated? Was he crying? Was, but what did she ask? What did we don't know what caused it? But we were able to reframe the memory. But she asked a question of dad didn't get a response and she froze. So trauma technically is a moment when you, with your level of sensitivity, have to freeze in order to survive. And when she did that in froze and froze her, her mouth, her throat, her chest, as she's reframing this memory, and what we do is visualize what should have happened, converted it into a color frequency and move it through your body as a feeling.
Brent Baum: 20:26 Color is your first language as a child for feeling. So color can transmit very complex emotional signals or frequencies. So I said, if you could change the scene, I picked your daddy giving me a hug, answering my question. Okay. She saw a color. She moved the green colors through her body. Suddenly she could breathe again. Her throat wasn't tight or chest wasn't tight. She said, you know, I've never able to have a relationship with a male. Whenever I talk to men I'm ashamed and I freeze. I've never been able to stay sober in AA cause it's mostly men. And when I tell my story I feel the shame come back. And then she says, I wonder if this could have anything to do with why I became a speech pathologist to teach children how to communicate. They can't talk or communicate in front of people.
Brent Baum: 21:09 And I'm like, Oh my goodness. Another one of those lightning moments. Your, your intimacy, no male relationships, you're relapsed five times. This is our fifth inpatient treatment for alcoholism. And she drank because it medicated her throat and chest. The drugs by the way we choose are often related to where we hold the trauma in our body and what the drug is. And her career was based on a question in a garage. So when people ask what is the trauma or like, you know, for her asking a question and not getting an answer that day at that moment was a huge trauma, life changing event for her. And I, I tell people I grew up in Asberger's father, I thought, not getting an answer to a question was the definition of childhood, you know, and that's what was kind of normal. But for her that day, so throw out your traditional definition of trauma, trauma for you, even in the same family, people are more or less easily traumatized based on their boundary formation and their role within the family.
Brent Baum: 22:08 The hero is less easy to traumatize. The black sheep gets dumped on quite a lot. The mediator peacekeeper takes things on sort of voluntarily to help everyone else out. So everyone has a different sort of boundary formation that determines what becomes trauma and what does not. So the real question is, what events have happened for you in your life that caused your body to freeze, to produce the adrenaline, to protect you? We're all alive today because we have that protective mechanism. I mean, we've all frozen hundreds if not thousands of times. And it may not have been a big event. It could be, you know, bad news, somebody misunderstanding us being teased, being bullied sometimes that's a huge thing. And an ongoing pattern. And so I threw out the traditional definition of trauma and said, it's really based on what you and you made you for each and at a young age that can be life changing.
Brent Baum: 23:01 Her, her dad shaming her when her mother was not so available was the disconnect from the one parent that she could rely on and for her. And that was life changing. So forget your traditional definition. Yes, physical, verbal, emotional, sexual abuse of a significant nature. Obviously in code, but a lot of people are surprised when you go to the body. And I do body centered client centered therapy. So the body, actually one of the biggest breakthroughs was the final breakthrough. It was when we applied to energy at a point in the nervous system and the body took over the technique and started mapping for us the history of migraines or the history of a cancer or what we can Jeremy and system to to make you sick. So we have a wisdom. But when you ask the body sometimes what it's traumas where I'm at, the little
Brent Baum: 23:46 Things and sometimes the huge things that are forgotten. And repressed.
Danny Maresca: 23:50 Yeah. We really do all have traumas. And what comes to mind for me is this image of a, from a Christmas Carol where, you know, Jacob Marley, the ghost of Jacob Marley, I think was his name, right? Who was just weighted down with all these chains. And that you could just imagine like, unbeknownst to us, you know, we have all these small traumas and put a coin in that lock box thing every time you have a frozen memory and it's just weighing you down and it's not, that's right. Have all of your energy with you. So it's, you know, we all have it and I, you know, the more I apply this with my clients more, I see it, but it's, it's definitely something we all have in and to varying degrees.
Brent Baum: 24:30 I agree. It's a dense, heavy form of energy. It's not, I think it's the source of most depression for people. So when I hear depression, I'm like, okay, let's track and see what the trauma history is here.
Danny Maresca: 24:40 Yeah. Now, Brent, I've spoken with some of my past guests about our 5% conscious mind versus the 95% subconscious. And you mentioned it earlier. Can you explain it for our listeners and perhaps talk a little bit about the limitations of therapies that try to resolve trauma using that 5% conscious mind?
Brent Baum: 24:58 Well that's really where we were focused and I, you know, whatever it's therapy you've done, we're grateful, but Everest helped you survive to get to the present moment. We're grateful. So, you know, we don't look the gift horse in the mouth here. You know, we've, we've, it's kept us alive. It sustained us to present moment. It gave us hope, but we didn't understand. And there's been, this is a huge question you're asking, but there's been a giant paradigm shift, which we've all technically seen between 1950 and here we are 68 years later. You know, like, okay, what happened? What we discovered, I would give you two minutes synopsis of this, my view of history in the 50s. Our traditional model of interpreting him and behavior in action shifted until the 1950s drunk. And this was a sin. Morals, they are eating too much was the sin.
Brent Baum: 25:51 Shame on you for eating so much. Shame on you for drinking so much. And then we discovered the notion of addictions and things that took away willpower. And for me it was through the addiction steals off, shared that piece. So in the 50s we discovered I'll just take away their alcohol that will control the problem. By the 60s we discovered the co addict was as sick or died sooner, sometimes in the addict who was medicated. So they had a set of symptoms. At the same time in this, these family systems theory occurred when one parent is repressed, the whole system is impacted. Then we moved into the realization that the children were all impacted and that something bigger was going on here.
Brent Baum: 26:31 And that some other thing controlling the system and people's dynamics was profoundly affected. They call it codependency by the 80s took out the bottle of alcohol and said, as long as you have one parent that doesn't do feelings, workaholic, perfectionistic, womanizers, sex, addicted gambler, whatever, didn't do feelings, this system is going to go dysfunctional. And look outward for its needs to be met. That's what I intended the picture around the 80s I facilitated my first children alcoholics group actually in 1980 as a student in college. And well it was like, Oh, okay. So willpower is all about choices and then over the years between the fifties till now, but I remember when I published my first book, conscious mind, active today was estimated about 7% subconscious at 93% and then ongoing research, what they've discovered is that this capacity for us to automatically store and repress memories and things that overwhelm us is huge, is the majority of consciousness.
Brent Baum: 27:35 So that even if we have good intentions in the 5% and we do talk therapy as you were alluding to with the 5% if it doesn't that some talk, the air B and I do part of the talk feature as well, but we're using the chalk to access the 95% and to dialogue with where we froze. And so there is a place for talk therapy and certain versions of that, just talking about it without access the 95% and establishing proof of safety did not prove to be as effective. And that's been the target of my work. So the paradigm shift is going from a model where conscious mind and willpower consciousness departments thought to be everything to the point where now it's reduced to about 5% and we see that with my history having been a Catholic priest also in my background, one of the lessons I've done lectures and presentations and I've been asked to produce some information now for the bishops and some other folks.
Brent Baum: 28:31 So we'll see what happens with that. But the Catholic church's realization that you can't use a moral judgment failure model from the 5% the moral, the rational mind being that 5% to hear what's imprinted in the 95% and so what I tell people is the forgiveness, the moral release model, the moral judgment model. And the F now has gone down to 5% the focus on therapies. And even I, in my second book, I took it back to biblical times and I said, you know, and Adam ate the Apple, his eyes were opened. He realized he was naked. And that's a feeling of shame, embarrassment, not killed. So it may be that the ancient texts even were trying to point us to kind of fundamental, primordial traumatic event and not necessarily moral failure, but that's what we do. And bad things happen. We say, what did I do wrong to cause it, especially as children, what did I do to make this happen?
Brent Baum: 29:28 Or what is it my fault? And we missed out the fact that there's been a huge paradigm shift or consciousness in going from a moral failure model to an integrated called the integrative model. In my work that there's not one willpower. There are four. Okay. And that conscious mind is now down to 5%. But we have the sub conscious where we store our stressful, traumatic memories. We have the unconscious with our DNA and our genetics. And I believe our moment place, time of burst are not accidents. That there's a very spiritual and purposeful underlying current did the moment place time our genetics, our DNA. I think all of it has tremendous value. And then whatever we call that superconscious mind, unified consciousness, big mind and the Buddhist thinking whatever that higher integrated unity is, I believe is also part of our willpower or an intentionality according to quantum physicists, we have tremendous power to create.
Brent Baum: 30:29 And the 5% conscious mind intention is, is excellent, but it requires the support of the 95% to manage us clearly. And so I think, you know, the shifting that we've done here at this point is much as a much bigger paradigm than we've realized and we're learning to think about our lives differently, to view it through all four lenses. What's my sole purpose? What am I here to accomplish? How does my, my genetics, my family by DNA even I could say for instance, my Asberger's father gave me a passion to understand why, why would it be attracting addictive personalities when we're not chemically dependent in the family? So, and the woman that became the speech pathologist, your trauma history, okay. Often is an amazing kind of like so allowance. So permission is a resource of your soul to make you passionate about what you'll do for a living.
Brent Baum: 31:25 You know? And even the children we have sometimes like, Oh my God, I'm, my first marriage was to a narcissist and I can't believe I did that. I'm like, yes, the narcissism isn't genetic from what we can tell. It's a developmental trauma. So your kids have Lundell flow genetics from their father and wonderful genetics from you and they're going to be great. But yes, you do have to work through the narcissistic pattern. But my autistic are sort of asked to, his father made me passionate about having to learn how to communicate and speak in public when he didn't. Okay. And so our trauma histories often farm the foundations and the passion for our soul's purpose. So we have to look at everything through all four lenses, like, OK, what, what was it going? What's my highest intention to be? Help people heal? Well, wow. Which is more valuable to me.
Brent Baum: 32:13 My very empathic, super intuitive mother am I almost completely unavailable. Silent fathers slept during the day and preferred to work on machines at nighttime, which was the more valuable teacher as a negative teacher. My dad, you know I had Parkinson before you died. He had Parkinson's, diabetes, colon cancer, Colossae me for 26 years, two heart attacks, two head injuries. At the time of his death, he was dying of lung cancer and I could feel it, which meant part of it was memory and so I worked with the healer wants that nerve on. She said, Oh, your father healed a lot of his is dead or is karma in this lifetime? I said, when did he do that? He didn't hardly talk. She said he never harmed another human. I said he was very gentle. That's true. As a very kind spiritual man, he never laid a hand on people.
Brent Baum: 32:57 It's never violent. She said, but he didn't know how to do what you do and that's why you became passionate about helping people heal. You saw the pain that he went through and that our bodies become the victims of our traumas if we don't meet with them. And you said, I can't if you and I knew as a child I was very shy, introverted, I had imitated, I was terrified of speaking in public, which obviously we've unlearned and resolved. You already get me to be quiet for a break here. But you know, I was able to see how that, that trauma history became the passion on a negative side. Now often the completely unavailable parent marries an impasse. The narcissists when the age of narcissism, we haven't talked much about that, but it's rather obvious even politically, regardless of who he voted for. I call it post-traumatic election disorder right now.
Brent Baum: 33:48 And we just went through another set of stressful, traumatic elections anyway. But as a culture, so the last step is we started with addictions in the 50s now we're learning the impact of a trauma based personality disorder that often narcissism often occurs before the age of four are to some people believe even to developmentally a disconnect from one of the parents where you're left in that me phase looking outward and you don't develop empathy. So as a result, the autistic parent are, the narcissistic parent often marries an empathic person to counterbalance and compensate in the family and basically they do provide for the needs of the child and for the often regressed parent to be met. So the empath is doing double, triple, quadruple duty after those of you, and I'm sure you get quite a number of impasse going over your website. Okay. Is that part of this is they impasse now have to take extra care themselves.
Brent Baum: 34:45 We're moving into what I call the age of empathy on from the age of narcissism and this last, maybe it's never last step, but we learned about autism and a traumas some years ago about that. Now we're seeing the effects of personality disorders and leadership and how that impacts leaders and their egos and binds them to a non empathic state and the concerns and all the fears about that because we're learning about that, but it is a stage in our evolution. I say the age of narcissism will give rise to the age of empathy. I just can't tell you what the time table is going to be given current circumstances. It seems like people are digging into to defend their traumas more than they're able to see the need to try to heal the traumas. Yeah. We're not, we're not quite there yet, I don't think, but all checks Paul check statements about, yes, we need to be able to, if we could, you know, reach apart, we can make that connection and consciousness and feel each other's and reach that level of empathy. Okay. Then things would change dramatically, you know? Yeah. Very much
Danny Maresca: 35:44 There are plenty of catalysts for it. We just gotta respond.
Brent Baum: 35:47 Yes, exactly.
Danny Maresca: 35:48 So if we bring it back to the 5% conscious mind and the 95% subconscious eye, I find maybe it's a little, it's sort of analogous to the, the idea of matter versus energy in the universe. Right. So I don't know what the percentages are for that. You know, maybe it's very similar. But, and so in, in that, in your training to kind of segway and you're a HMR training, you talk about the holographic nature of memory. So that's what I'm getting at is that's the sort of energetic component. What do you mean when you say that our memories are stored as a hologram and what implication does this have on our physical and mental bodies?
Brent Baum: 36:24 That's a very good question. Sometimes you might want to do a program just on the holographic nature of the universe and consciousness because if you think about it, it, what a hologram is is a projection of light from an original source split into reference beam. Object being that gives you a three dimensional or multidimensional perception. And Michael Talbot's book the holographic universe, he says, obviously the whole universe functions that way. It appears that there's an original billion degree plasma verse that plasma burst that creates the universe. And from that at an incredible speed and heat, it starts expanding outward, creating the universe as we know it, cooling down and slowing down actually to form matter and eventually visible matter. When it slows enough, it becomes visible to the eye, higher frequencies, less so. I'm so Einstein said matter is slowed down. Crystallized energy, I suppose you could say. Then that matter and the universe is sort of like traumatized consciousness sort of exploded, expanding, cooling, slowing down, boom, coming, visitable. So what I found in the work that I do is, this is what you said is very much true. You know, that energy, it's all about energy and light and consciousness and the holographic concept is undervalued. I don't think it's fully appreciated. It is my homework. The movies are 3d I like, you've always been three day close when I, your room is still three-dimensional. It's not your eyes doing it. It's something fundamental itself about consciousness and thank goodness because in physics, every fragment of a hologram contains the whole thing. So another way, another way you could think about is on the cellular level, the DNA in the cell that carries the picture of the whole body is not unlike the fragment of the holographic energy field that has the picture of the whole thing, the whole universe. So on an energy level, we'd say hologram on a cellular level, we might call it DNA, but it's the same principle. In fact. And that may be a connection, but because we are holographic beings, it gives us the convenience of taking an, and we do this automatically. Subconscious is not like we wake up and want us to or trauma trauma in the body mine. But the whole body is a three dimensional holographic storage unit, basically unlimited storage. So we take what it means in physics is that we can take an entire traumatic event and reduce it to the lump in our throat, the knot in our stomach. But David Grove, I'm not sure he developed the original questioning sequence. S science of mind has employed at different organizations, body centered, somatic psychotherapies have used it. So I'm not sure where it originally I came from that he experienced it.
Brent Baum: 39:09 But the question in sequence, when you think about an event, where do we feel on our body? Is it inside or outside or both shape, size, color, weight, temperature, texture. That language has been around for awhile, but what it was trying to do is track the icons of storage. That if all consciousness is holographic and we're overwhelmed, we can take an entire traumatic event and reduce it to the weight on our shoulders, device on our head, a knife in the heart, the knot in the stomach, the butterflies. So where we're overwhelmed, we use the holographic principle for containment. And a lot of times children for instance, will draw, you know, the their pain or the object and reds and blacks. If there's physical or sexual abuse. I'll even draw the whole scene in reds and blacks, minimal light, no light, blacks and reds. And if you have them redraw the picture, they go to their bright nurturing colors to convert it and then invite that color through the body to create safety and release that.
Brent Baum: 40:10 But the way, the ability to do that, to see and envision things three dimensionally, all of our senses, they think now, not just color it, sights, smells down, taste, touch, everything appears to be holographic. Three dimensional. And the universe as an expanding hologram itself. Has it been perceived that way or described that that way? So in a holographic universe, our dreams, which means that our dreams are nightmares, are flashbacks. All of our memories, all of our experiences technically [inaudible] this kind of projection of light. Now the, the truth is the best neurophysiologists in the world can't tell us how we're doing it inside the body. Mind. Exactly. We know that on our retinas we appear to be upside down. The image appears to be upside down, but by the time it's inside the system processing, we converted to a three dimensional image rights side up.
Brent Baum: 41:03 So every memory, every experience, everything you've ever had, your entire history, [inaudible] is a holographic movie that is imprinted and recorded within yourself. So even as you watch a movie or you watch television and we listened to the podcast, we think it's outside of us, of all of our experiences occur within the stage of our internal holographic computer. And as such, when we're overwhelmed, what we do is we kind of hit the pause button on the computer and say, I can't deal with this. Let's freeze it and store it until I can get back to it. The problem is very few of our parents are trained and in teaching us how to go back to those events and to release them from the body mind, but you're exactly right. It's a breakthrough. Number one, we freeze for a millisecond. Number two, we freeze on everything. As a hologram, everything is holographic and I've done it.
Brent Baum: 41:53 I've done it with over 150,000 memories personally with people and I can tell you we are absolutely holographic beings. How they're going to prove that. I'm not quite sure how they're going to determine and prove that consciousness is holographic, but like quantum physics now we have an operative principle that we're running with and we'll probably figure out all the physics and the physiology of it later.
Danny Maresca: 42:16 Now have you found that certain kinds of memories are stored in particular places in the body?
Brent Baum: 42:21 Absolutely. One of the things I teach in my work and as an empath is, and I think we've all seen this actually, so I can do a brief review with, you've been in my book, a chapter called somatic queuing. How people's bod, these taught me about why and how they stored their memories. So the physiology of the body actually reflects certain developmental and functional capacities. So for instance, the base of the foot is our grounding to the earth and a little little child coming into the world. And we first learned to walk or feel our feet. So the base of that, the foot to the base of the ankle, zero to three years old for instance, is feeling grounded. So when people were totally, they were accidents, were not supposed to be here, supposed to be a boy instead of a girl. I started noticing that a lot of times they had plantar fasciitis or pain on the base of the foot. Some traumas that occurred from the biological father with alcoholism or addiction, violence between three and five, left them with problems with ankles, developmentally five to 10. The shins. Many, many cases. And I go through cases of each of these in my book, in the chapter on sematic queuing.
Brent Baum: 43:32 So yes, the Chinese of course, they've known this for 5,000 years. And in fact I'll give you a funny story cause this ties in with your hologram question. So when I was in Japan doing workshops in Sendai, which a woman on her death bed funded my trainings and send, I'm not sure what she saw or new, but this was about a decade before the tsunami earthquake nuclear leak, when the nearest city to that tragic event was Sendai. So this woman on her death bed supporting a healing group in Sendai said, bring the trauma guy to Sendai. So dr Marico Tanaka, who I believe herself is very intuitive, said a Brent needs to come to Sendai. So she arranged it. We went in and taught for about five years. So when the tsunami hit, there were over 37 trauma therapists and practitioners in the city of Sendai to help with the crisis when it occurred. And we had no idea. I had stopped trainings there a few years prior and had moved on to some other things. But at one of the workshops, the story I was going to tell you is that if he ever doubted the holographic nature of consciousness or what the, the Chinese, the Oriental is figured out in terms of acupuncture, acupressure, decades ago, thousands of years ago. In fact I became a believer, so one of the people attending my workshop was the emperor's physician's daughter. And I heard that she was amazing and particularly good with reflexology, and she offered to work on me. Oh, sensei, I'd be honored. I was like, Oh no, it'd be on my honor. So we did her little thing. She did agree to work on me and a, if you've ever had reflexology, the belief from the energy body, the emotional body is that we have a series of energy lines, or they call them meridians through the nerve flex seas of the body. A current is created, which carries energy and those currents, those energy lines can be stimulated to improve or accelerate the healing of the physical body and the release of blockages.
Brent Baum: 45:24 And the Chinese mapped this out without knowing about cells and their perplexities. I think that they mapped it out thousands of years ago. But I heard you, it was great with reflex styles and she offered to work on me and I was like, Oh, that would be great. So I thought it'd be a little bit like Miraval where we have some wonderful integrative spa services and things here in Northwest of of Tucson. And but instead she pulls out this thing that looked like a knitting needle and she proceeded to jam it into all the pressure points of my foot. And at one point she get a very sensitive spot and I think I yelled, which, I mean, I've been polite in Japanese society, but [inaudible] through the translator though, she said, would you please ask him if he almost died at a bronchitis when he was two and a half years old?
Brent Baum: 46:14 Okay. And I was like, how could somebody possibly know that? So she pulled out the map of the foot and showed me the pulmonary section. Oh, from Chinese acupressure, acupuncture for the left foot and said if in your left lung there's an indication that you had a very serious threatening illness. In fact you're still sensitive. So I suspect it was life threatening and it looks like it occurred between the ages of two and three and that was exactly correct. The only near death experience I had as a young child having bronchitis and she's like, can I feel your rib cage? I said, sure. After that, do whatever you need to do. So she poked around my rib cage on the outside says, yes, you have scar tissue between these two ribs from your bronchitis at two and a half years old. And she knew where to look from it, from the attention pressure point in energy flow in the pulses from that part of the body.
Brent Baum: 47:02 So they have map things that we were just in the West catching up with now. But I've been mapping memories and my software that I use when I work on clients and for my certified practitioners, Oh, we're now making it available for trainees by the springtime. It's kind of a teachable program. Like let's ask, we are in the body, things occur. Let's map the memory and at the end of the session, that's print out for the client where the memories are occurring. Because where your pain occurs often you exactly, you know what the function was and what happened to you. So like right leg, if you're right handed dad, the more aggressive parent is going to be on your right mom on the left. So we've learned a lot about somatic psychology and how memory interfaces with the body and that's still evolving. But we've seen many cases where tumor assist occurs, where there's been a concentration of emotional trauma or memory.
Brent Baum: 47:55 Okay. I have people that'll do a session where they work on, I have just seven memories all about their voice. And I have no idea that two years prior they had a tumor on their thyroid, you know, and they said it's always been about my voice always about expressing myself. So along with the fact that are there are genetic, there are environmental, there are other sources for cancers. There's also the kind of obvious of like our trauma histories where we are repressed or traumatizing. The physical body from memory can fairly easily now be tracked, identified, mapped and correlations made with why we're getting sick or why we're becoming ale. My goal is that we can get parents to teach their kids to think this way and parent this way. Then the kids don't have to become sick. I have an anesthesiologist I'm training and he says by the time every one of his child hits too, he teaches them to create a visual safe place to see what the primary color is in their mind. Cause the colors you see with your memories or not my colors, your colors are unique to your computer and to start breathing those colors through their bodies to maintain calm and safety, which they can then take with them through the rest of their lives. First thing I do with a new client every time is I already give you one gift to our listeners is go to your safe place in nature. Create one, think it or see it doesn't matter. See what the main color is that comes to you as visual or as a thought, and breathe that through your body 50 to 52 times. The reason for that is that what we now know from language studies with children is that at 50 to 52 repetitions, a word or a concept or a color goes into the subconscious and stored in the 95% so, and we, in a way, Louise hay was right, that as you breathe things repeatedly, we can at least program into the subconscious, through affirmation, through image, through color and positive statement.
Brent Baum: 49:46 The problem is the affirmation doesn't always resolve the trauma that was already there. [inaudible] But consciousness is very powerful. So when that happened and with the body with the threat, I was like, Oh my goodness, I'm going to pay better. And that was like 20 years ago. I'm going to pay better attention to what people's bodies are trying to tell me and trying to teach us. And just, just remarkable things that have happened that I've seen. And now as an impact, as you clear your traumas, you become more empathic. So I feel the confirmation of where the interesting thing was with the software and development of the work is that we've been seeing where people are describing their pains in their bodies. If we do, we did a 22 quantitative EGS on subjects and research in Chicago in 2016 and one of the cases then are out. Neuro therapists came out and said, has she had a head trauma at some point in time? And then the fifth memory was the boyfriend taking her drunk and bashing her head into the corner or something, giving her a fractured skull. And a concussion. And it clearly showed up in the scans before I had mentioned anything to him at all. And the memory was right there and the history and the map and the reframing of that memory and afterwards, that site was significantly diminished. The reframing with this technique. So yes, where things occur in the body where memories occur are paramount importance. And the body often preserves a fragment at the primary site of encoding, which is often what makes us sick.
Danny Maresca: 51:17 Well we have maybe eight minutes left, so I want to make sure we talk about the use of color too to heal the, the scene the trauma and then we'll maybe have time for one more question or two after that. So talk about that. Talk about right. So light and color, are frequency. So can you explain how within HMR color is used to furnish that missing frequency from the trauma?
Brent Baum: 51:44 Sure. It's the simple, it's our first language as a child for emotional safety. So rather than words, color is an infinite language. The colors you see for your memories are not my collars. Think of yourself as a seven color projection system, nerve centers of the body or certain frequencies from lower to higher red, orange, yellow, green, blue, Indigo, violet. So if you're a seven color projector and you're combining all of that decree, the movie of your life, when trauma occurs, certain emotional frequencies are missing [inaudible] and so the goal of the technique was how do we transmit proof of safety. So for instance, like I said, the child drying picture, their trauma well knows naturally to go to reds and blacks in red. That's no love, no safety, minimum anger. If we redraw the picture, we choose our bright nurturing colors to depict it. So they don't have the words for trial, but they can do it in color. They confirm the technique originally. Then if you have them breathe a color, move, a colors feeling sound, a fragment of the corrected image through the part of the body holding thing, the original red, black, not in the stomach or the vice on the head.
Brent Baum: 52:48 In physics. When you take red and black and you add all the missing colors, bringing them together at the same site, which is what we do, have you breathed the colors through, but you'd get his white light. At that moment the body says, Oh, wait a minute, we can't be being abused and have this safety feeling and color going through us at the same time. It must be over. And at that moment the body gives permission to discharge the attachment to the original memory, the feeling. And at that moment the body heats up. Often there's tingling in the hands and feet. We have galvanic skin response. We have a cessation of eye movement because the technique also generates what looks like a, an alpha theta state, rapid eye movement, visual kind of static access. When you move the missing love feeling colors through your body that should have been there and some people breathe it, some people meditate, some people do color therapies as color.
Brent Baum: 53:39 There's many ways of accessing it. I simply have you go to your own scene, visualize what should have happened and transmit your own frequency through the body. So they like it. It's psychologists love this because it's so empowering to the client. So the colors you see our intranet or perfect. When I did work with NASA with archaeology, I learned that your colors and your nerve centers are not my colors, which is why we often can't use our frequencies to heal someone else's memory-based pain. Some Schamens have permission and access. Some healers have permission and access, but I prefer in all cases to have you become your own inner healer, to move those colors through your body to create white light. And when we do that, I feel it has an impact. The pain leaves the neck pain. The migraine, the shock was a huge, 95% of migraines went away.
Brent Baum: 54:27 In fact, I'm about to put up on the website for the first time, a video short, 20 minute video on migraine ease, which anyone is welcome to watch. It's not about the traditional migraine. It's the fact that most migraines are relived of the original. And when you picked your safety and breathe your colors through, often they diminish and sometimes even go away. If it is in fact memory-based. And that's a good example of how when you put in the missing color frequencies about it, he says, wait a minute, we're not in the original migraine, we're not in the original car accident. No, it's over. These colors come from the safe scene. If I can move that color, that feeling of safety through my body, I'm no longer in the accident or traumatic event and that's when we heal them. And so we're really, it's all about love and putting in the missing frequencies, which the bottom line, the best message of this whole work is you have an I, we have all the colors, we've just never been taught how to breathe them and transmit them to the body sites, specifically moments specifically in order to release the traumas that hold this bind bound in the 95% where we're trapped.
Danny Maresca: 55:33 Wow. Yeah. Brent, just I want to stop this and let everybody know. I've had a couple of sessions with Brent in the past one in a group session and then one on one. And just the, the feeling that you walk out of after a session and not is just, it's even hard to describe, but it's this year I'll stay at sort of scientifically, your autonomic nervous system just sort of calms down. You shift out of the sympathetic state, but it just feels almost ecstatic and totally relaxed. And so for you guys listening, it's an amazing technique in resolving traumas but also, you know, physical issues that are, are, have their origins and memories and trauma. And so I encourage everybody to look more into HMR.
Danny Maresca: 56:20 Brent, before I last asked the last question, can you let our listeners know where they can find out more about you and about how they can, if they want to schedule a session with you or one of your practitioners?
Brent Baum: 56:29 Sure. Let me have a, my main website is healing dimensions.com plural. And we also have the HMR training website that just went up so anyone can learn to do what I do. And I encourage parents and educators to learn the use of color for their own children and their own anxiety, stress management. So those are available. I'm at Miraval much of the time Miraval resorts.com. And I have a private practice here in Tucson, which you can tap into through my website. So all of those resources are available. The books or eBooks, you know, unless the materials are easily, readily available, you know, have a store on the website as well. So yes, folks can certainly access that material through any of those area three, three free YouTube videos. You know, similar to the lines of what we're doing today, but your questions are a lot more helpful and specific in many ways. So. Cool.
Danny Maresca: 57:24 Excellent. So Brent, for the final question for today, if you were to identify three things that someone needs to do or B, in order to tap into their full potential as a human being, what would those three things be?
Brent Baum: 57:37 Okay. Maintain safety. So create your safe scene. Use that color safety reinforced on a regular basis to reduce anxiety intention, I would say. Heal your own memories. The number one thing is we have now the capacity to [inaudible] release you from the constraints of the 95%. And there is no doubt that our, the single greatest factor weakening our health, our lives, our choices, our relationships is the fact that we're going in and out of our old memories. 15 to 50 times an hour. You could try to count a little bit. Good luck. Sometimes it's more than that, but we're transferring and going into the old physiologies of the past. When we trigger memories, that would be the second thing. And the third is whatever you can do. Yeah. To boost your energy levels. As a society, we're moving to the age of empathy. You must increase your self care. You must improve your diet, low frequency foods modified foods that lower your vibration make you ill have to be eliminated or certainly decreased. We need to increase our own meditation, our connection to light or source. So those would probably be the three essential things I think for just daily self care and maintenance. The more you clear yourself the safer your internal navigation system becomes or not, then misguided by the voices of shame or fear or doubt, depression, anger, sadness, which keep us attached to the, the disempowering memories of the past.
Danny Maresca: 59:07 Excellent. Well, Brent, that's our time for today, but I do want to say thank you for spending this time with us and for sharing about this amazing technique that you've developed. Thank you. Pleasure working with you, Danny, and look forward to connecting in the future. And I want to say thank you to all of our listeners for sharing this time with us. Please remember to click subscribe to the podcast and to share with your friends.
Danny Maresca: 59:29 I'm Daniel Maresca inviting you to awaken to your true potential. Talk to you soon.